Wow, okay. So I grew up in a very rural area, small schools, I think we talked about that. Grade school was two grades in a classroom with an eighth grade class of only 13, we were huge. So, that along with everything else, I was thinking about that on the way over here. There was just so much, just so many things you could choose to do here and little to no structure. So I was used to growing up in a place where you couldn't get away with anything because everyone knew everybody, you know. And here nobody cares if you go to class. And, you have academic advisors, but they're not gonna sound you on bad grades until you're on academic suspension and then you'll get a note. So, I think that led towards a lesson and a stubborn start for me when I first started going to school. Student: So, did you know, did you grow up knowing you wanted to go to college? Willie: I wouldn’t say so. My bothers and  sisters and I, it was always very important from our parents' point of view, you know, we get our education and things like that. I don’t think I really started thinking about it until I was in high school - "Okay, what am I going to do next and how do I get there?" type of thing. Student: Did anyone help you, like, in high school to like get to where you wanted to go? Did you reach out to people?  Willie: Possibly to the high school counsellor a little bit; I did have brothers and sisters that went before me. I think I was kind of stubborn and just did most of it on my own. Student: Would you say that that like gave you an advantage to some people or a disadvantage? Because you did everything by yourself so you were like learning how to do things? Willie: I think it was, I mean if you had to look at it all, it was probably more of a disadvantage being kind of self-driven and unwilling to ask for help. So when I got here, and there was all this, I didn't ask for help here either. And, you know, working here now, it's just amazing at how many different departments and organizations are here to really help students who ask for it. Student: Yeah. Willie: But if you don't ask, they can't help you, so-. Student: And going back to the first initial interview I guess, what was your major in college?  Willie: When I came here, I was dual major in Wildlife Science and Rangeland Management. Student: That sounds like, what is that?  Willie: So here again, I grew up in rural Eastern Oregon. So rangeland management is all the, basically like the public grounds, you know, you have to figure out that balance between the wildlife that it serves and the farmers and ranchers that utilize it to graze their cattle and how those pieces all work together. So I thought that with wildlife science went pretty well together so. Student: Did it go pretty well together? Willie: It did for a while. I did change my major while I was here to Agricultural Education. So same general field, just a little different focus. Student: And based off of you changing your major, what could you have done differently, like out of all your years in college and stuff, what could you have done differently? Willie: Of course you go back to my ugh, my first attempt, it would have been to be more focused. I think it, I think for me at the time I did the right thing - I left the university and went out and you know, had a life and got a job and everything and didn't come back until I was older and more focused. And I think that was the right call for me. Luckily, I chose a field that the degree wasn't a requirement for. Student: Oh yeah. Willie: 'Cause nowadays that is very important and just to get a foot into a lot of career fields so-.